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CBR1000RR or RC-51

OK, it's time for a new bike. Yes, I'm joining the Liter bike crowd. I am 33 years old, 6'3" 195 pounds. I've ridden various bikes since I was 16, so I DO have experience. This is NOT my first ot second or even third bike...

This WILL however be my first liter bike in the "Sports" class.


I have searched and searched and read review after review. I have sat on the 1000RR but not the RC-51. (I also looked into a Ducati 749... that's about the limit of my spending dollars.)

I know I will never ride the bike to its full potential, but I'd like to know the REAL WORLD similarities and differences.

I ASSUME the RC-51 and the CBR1000RR and very similar bikes. The difference of course being the V-twin vs the I-4.

All the bikes I have ever owned have been I-4's, I am very curious about the V-Twins.

I don't track my bikes, but I do enjoy riding aggressively. I take many weekend rides through the twisties in the Pocono's in PA, but I also ride the interstate to work. The aggressive riding position does NOT bother me in the least, but I do have a bony arse which tends to get to me after a long ride. (Hmm, do Sport's bike riders put nice soft comfy seats on "track ready" bikes?)

The CBR1000RR is still a "new model". Have all the "kinks" been worked out? Are there any unforeseen recalls or problems still to be worked out? The RC-51 has been around a few years and has been upgraded back in 2003. Will 05 be the last year for the 51? Is it smart to buy a last model year of a particular bike? What about the aftermarket? I see TONS of things for the RC, I assume the aftermarket will grow for the CBR1000RR, but again, it's still new.

AS for the real world, which bike will have a more usable torque curve and power band? what about Fuel economy? (I'm not actually WORRIES about fuel economy, more like range between mandatory stops...)

I've checked my insurance. I have State Farm in PA and all they care about is engine displacement. A new Ducati 999R, a Honda CBR1000RR, a 1000CC Cruiser, or an MV Agusta F4-1000 all cost me exactly the same...

Finally, do you guys / gals find that you can really get better deals buying a new bike during the winter season, or should I just wait until Spring?

Thanks for reading through my long winded post.... Now I look for the "experts" opinions on the matter. Thanks in advance.

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Re: CBR1000RR or RC-51

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OK, it's time for a new bike. Yes, I'm joining the Liter bike crowd. I am 33 years old, 6'3" 195 pounds. I've ridden various bikes since I was 16, so I DO have experience. This is NOT my first ot second or even third bike...

This WILL however be my first liter bike in the "Sports" class.


I have searched and searched and read review after review. I have sat on the 1000RR but not the RC-51. (I also looked into a Ducati 749... that's about the limit of my spending dollars.)

I know I will never ride the bike to its full potential, but I'd like to know the REAL WORLD similarities and differences.

I ASSUME the RC-51 and the CBR1000RR and very similar bikes. The difference of course being the V-twin vs the I-4.

All the bikes I have ever owned have been I-4's, I am very curious about the V-Twins.

I don't track my bikes, but I do enjoy riding aggressively. I take many weekend rides through the twisties in the Pocono's in PA, but I also ride the interstate to work. The aggressive riding position does NOT bother me in the least, but I do have a bony arse which tends to get to me after a long ride. (Hmm, do Sport's bike riders put nice soft comfy seats on "track ready" bikes?)

The CBR1000RR is still a "new model". Have all the "kinks" been worked out? Are there any unforeseen recalls or problems still to be worked out? The RC-51 has been around a few years and has been upgraded back in 2003. Will 05 be the last year for the 51? Is it smart to buy a last model year of a particular bike? What about the aftermarket? I see TONS of things for the RC, I assume the aftermarket will grow for the CBR1000RR, but again, it's still new.

AS for the real world, which bike will have a more usable torque curve and power band? what about Fuel economy? (I'm not actually WORRIES about fuel economy, more like range between mandatory stops...)

I've checked my insurance. I have State Farm in PA and all they care about is engine displacement. A new Ducati 999R, a Honda CBR1000RR, a 1000CC Cruiser, or an MV Agusta F4-1000 all cost me exactly the same...

Finally, do you guys / gals find that you can really get better deals buying a new bike during the winter season, or should I just wait until Spring?

Thanks for reading through my long winded post.... Now I look for the "experts" opinions on the matter. Thanks in advance.
I like both the CBR 1000RR and the RC-51 and either of the two would be an awesome machine to own. In the long run as far as the choice you make on which to get, it will probably come down to cosmetics (appearance) and or power delivery. I have rode an RC-51 but havent rode a new 1000RR. I own an 03 CBR 954RR and cant see TO much of a difference between the two (954 and 1000)....SO here is my analysis and 2 cents on this deal. The RC-51 is definitely a track bike, it has a shit load of torque in just about all of the RPM range and it handle's like a dream. I would like to refer to this bike as a "Track Carver Deluxe" and I am by know means saying that it wouldnt make an excellent commuter or weekend twisties/touring bike, because it would. Im simply saying that Honda had track racing on there mind when they produced this bike. As far as the 1000RR is concerned....if that bike is ANYTHING like my 954, you can expect dependability/reliabilty not to be riveled by any other. Not to mention ungodly fast, handeling, suspension and frame are superb.......overall fit and finish is without hesitation a 10 in my book. These are all my opinions and Im sure some others will differ from mine, but I have rode and owned ONLY Honda my entire life (dirtbikes, fourwheelers, cruisers and finally sportbike), yes I am surely partial to them, but, I am for a reason. I will swear by Honda for the rest of my days .

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For me it would have to be how long you plan on riding it on a daily basis. I sat on an RC-51 a while back, and felt that the seat need more padding for longer rides.


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Two words: engine braking. When you let off the throttle on the RR, the bike will slow down at a gradual pace; when you do that on the RC, the engine braking will just about put you through the windscreen. Me personally, I'd go with the RR. But it's not up to me, so get what you want.

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Ive ridden I-4s all my life and i jumped on a v-twin and just wasnt happy.. They dont have the scream up top.. I guess the mid and lower is where there power range is.. Thats why i dont seem to care for the v-twins... I love my 954 and i have rode the 1000s.. I would defentally go with the 1000rr unless your looking for something different...

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Ive ridden I-4s all my life and i jumped on a v-twin and just wasnt happy.. They dont have the scream up top.. I guess the mid and lower is where there power range is.. Thats why i dont seem to care for the v-twins... I love my 954 and i have rode the 1000s.. I would defentally go with the 1000rr unless your looking for something different...

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The same problem I had.....the RC seems to run out of juice 3/4 the way through the powerband, wouldnt work for me .

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OK where do I start.

I'm 6'4" @ 210 lbs.....so we are close

For comfort, a Corbin seat is manditory, on the RR or the RC. The RC has a more aggresive seating position, but with my long arms it works for me.

As far as usuable torque, I have ridden both the RC & RR in moddified trim, and really there is not much difference. The RR does have the power advantage, but it is all over 100 mph. From a dead stop the RC pulled the RR up to about 100 then the RR took over. Really never passed me until 130 mph! The RC tops out about 145 mph(unless you have 205 mph model) Look at the torque curve of these two bikes. The RC makes it's torque early and maintains that torque throughout the rev range. The RR builds nice and smooth and really starts to build at 8K rpm's. Were inlines use to be real weak down low, they are starting to build liter inlines with more "useable" power.

As far as fuel range. The RR is MUCH better. I have Sato exhaust and a PCIIIR, and my light comes on at 90 miles, and am out by 110 miles.

Bottom line, If you are curious about vtwins then the RC is a very good example of what a vtwin should be. Honda is renouned for their reliability and this rings true on the RC. Ducati on the other hand , that is a shame too. I like both bikes, but you see what I ride The RC just has something special that attracts me to it. It is just an awesome bike. It is loud, and it always attracts attention when I pull up.

As far as time to buy. I have not seen any advantages to buying in the winter, but the winters down here are not that bad & people CAN ride year round here

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I own both an RC & an RR.

What I will tell you now is that the RR is a better overall bike right out of the box, but a modified (suspension work, mapping, exhaust etc...) RC is a better handling machine than a similarly modified RR.

The forks on the RR are just shit & even just a simple re-work is about $750 for Ohlins valves as virtually nothing can be done eith the stock valves. The RR's real advantage over the RC is well obviously the 30-40 more hp & a better torque curve, but what is amazing is how much power you can really put to the ground with the RR. The chassis & swingarm down angle is set to where you can really get on the gas early & keep the rear wheel hooked up so pretty much rest assured that the days of the V-twin power delivery advantage are over.

Overall it is a personal choice, but the insurance on the RC is cheaper through most underwriters & the support/spare parts supply is in huge abundance. The RR is faster & easier to ride (& live with) in day to day riding conditions & during normal weekend rides etc.
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I thank you all for your informative comments. After carefully weighing my options, and looking through many dealers internet ads, I've made my decision.

I have placed my order (and deposit) for a 2005 Honda CBR1000RR Repsol Edition...

Delivery should be January 17.

Now WHAT am I going to do with a brand new bike in the middle of winter, here in North East PA?.....
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I thank you all for your informative comments. After carefully weighing my options, and looking through many dealers internet ads, I've made my decision.

I have placed my order (and deposit) for a 2005 Honda CBR1000RR Repsol Edition...

Delivery should be January 17.

Now WHAT am I going to do with a brand new bike in the middle of winter, here in North East PA?.....
Drool over it ........I would be .

Good luck bro and Happy Hollidays .

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