Originally posted by Rand McNally
Anytime you want to take you VTR to the track let me know and we will see how big and bad those bikes are. If they are such great race bikes, I wonder why no one races them. Tell you what, to make it a better comparison, you can ride you "souped up VTR" and I will find something smaller like a GS500 or maybe an EX500. Stoplight to stoplight? Are you kidding? Live in you fantasy world. In reality, a VTR is a great starter bike and even makes a hellluva commuter. But if you are looking for something to go dancing through the canyons, there are much better bikes out there. I will be sitting back waiting for Nicky Haden to start racing the new VTR250 gp bike.
There are still several on the race tracks, but the #1 reason you don't see many of them being raced is because they were only made for 3 years (89-90) add to that the classes for 250cc 4 stroke machines are few & far between to begin with & you simply aren't going to see a whole lot of them on the track, hell you don't even see very many of them on the street.
Your challenge on the racetrack is totally uncalled for as is your spew that there are better bikes out there for canyon carving. Just because you prefer a larger more powerful bike does not mean everyone feels the same.
As for your statement that a VTR250 makes a great starter bike. Well I have disagree to a certain extent. Replacement parts are both very rare & very expensive, furthermore the handling of the bike is so quick that it is very disillusioning to new riders & can easily catch them out. The GS500, EX500 or SV650 would be more appropriate examples of "good" starter bikes as the VTR250's allow the rider to do things on the roads that larger bikes simply cannot do. Do the math on the power to weight & you will find that the VTR250 is 1:10, the GS500 is 1:8 & the EX500 is 1:7 all pretty close to striking distance within each other where a better launch from the light can make all the difference. To discount the bikes ability merely based on size shows a firm lack of experience in this arena.
It should also be noted that you can drop an additional 10lbs off the VTR250 by removing the steel brackety that supports the turn signals, even more if you are removing the passenger pegs etc... Aftermarket exhausts reduce weight even further, but the same holds true for the GS & EX so all in all the ratios remain fairly constant in relation to each other.
In closing I will say after having tuned the carbs on all those models of bikes for years that due to the restrictive nature of the Honda tuning on the VTR250 it responds the best in terms of increasing engine performance with jetting, exhaust & airbox mods. I've gained as much as 6hp over stock tuning a VTR250 & the power curve remains linear whereas I can also get 5-6hp out of an EX500 with a stage III kit, but the power curve isn't quite as good in some areas as it was before.
We've probably spent more energy arguing the merits of these bikes than they make in horsepower, but it has been mildly entertaining.