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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 06-18-2004, 01:36 AM Thread Starter
 
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Need Help with 1986-1990 Kawasaki ZX-10R

In about five hours I am taking delivery of a 1987 Kawasaki Zx-10R. I was shopping for a new bike i wanted three things. Comfort, Power, Cheap.

Since when you buy a new bike you can only chose two i was in quite the delima.

I came across a bike so cheap I could pay for it cash. It is painted camelon green. its missing one of its fairings, but has low miles and suppose to be mechanically perfect. I recently test rode a 1989 ZX-10R that had Stage 3 jet kit, vance hines exhaust and intake. 27000 miles guy wante 2500$ for it. Needless to say I LOVED IT. It was the fastest bike ive EVER ridden which includes a 2001 Triumph 955, 2003 Buell XB12R, and a 2001 Kawasaki ZRX 1200. SO i havent ridden a hayabusa or a ZX-12R but this thing was quick and very eager to go from a low RPM.

It resisted turning, but when your use to the wide handle bars of a ZRX sportbike arent as ansi to lean. Anyway, it was comfortable, powerful and cheap!.

What dumbfounds me, the lack of support on this bike. I cant find ANYTHING about it. Its like it didnt even exist. I find a couple pages about a 1988-1990 kawasaki but the 1986-1987 seem to be a tad different. Can anyone help me out, can i use fairing off an 1989 on a 1987? are any of the parts compatible.


I also read that the zx-10 engine block is the same used in the ZX-11 except its been bored out some. is that true? Anywebsites or forums you could direct me to would be much appreciated. I have found a corbin seat and vance hines exhaust-- thats a start but i want to find the fairing too. Ebay doesnt have squat :-(

Thanks in advance,
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Where to start, Kawasaki did not have a ZX-10R until just this year. The previous generations were the 1986-87 ZX1000A (called the Ninja 1000R in the US and over seas the GPZ1000RX) which sounds like what you just picked up. Then you have the 1988-90 ZX1000B1,B2 and B3 (the original ZX-10 in the US over seas it was the Tomcat). Now we have the ZX1000C1 or the 04 ZX-10R.

The 86-87 Ninja 1000R and the 88-90 ZX-10 while similiar don't share any engine or body parts. They are completely different machines just like the 88-90 ZX-10 and the 90-93 ZX-11 are similar they don't share parts either. If you need body work to fit then you'll need the 86-87.

Finding aftermarket support for the 1000R can be difficult because it was such a limited production run. Here in the states everybody wants the latest and greatest sportbikes so limited production runs makes parts support limited. In Japan there still is a huge following for the GPZ900 (900 Ninja), 86-87 1000R and for the 88-90 ZX-10.

Here's a link to some other owners of the 1000R they might be helpful answering any questions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1kNinja/

You can also check http://www.zx1112.bigbikeworld.com while it mainly focuses on the ZX-11 all big Zeds are welcome and the knowledge base is unreal.

I happen to be the original owner of an 89 ZX-10 and recently an 04 ZX-10R. Both bikes are a blast and each has some great things to offer a rider.

Any way hope this helps.
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Thanks for the reply, I read your review of the modded 89zx-10 versus the 04 zx-10r.

Does the 1986-1987 Ninja 1000a2 have the same hp output as the 88-90 zx-10's? 125bhp?

I was on dynojet website and it showed a dyno for a stage one zx1000a2 and it was only making 95whp. it really like to get about 125whp

If that is the case would it be out of the question to drop a 88-90 zx-10 motor or even a zx-11 motor in place of it? Ive read they are all the same block so they should all have the same bolt pattern.
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The 1000R had 125hp at the crank so at the wheel it was about 103-105hp. The 88-90 ZX-10 had 137hp at the crank which equates to about 118-119hp at the wheel. The DynoJet site seems to read a little low so don't worry too much, if you want an accurate reading find a shop with a dyno and have a few runs done.

Putting a 88-90 ZX-10 motor or ZX-11 motor in your bike can be done but your looking at some major work and some $$$ to have it done. While they do share the basic design they are very different, your best bet for more hp is to look at some engine work.

Look at ZXZone and just look for the 86-87 1000R you'll find cams, 1039cc piston kit, over size valves (intake/exhaust), Mikuni smooth bore carbs ect. Going that route will get you some good hp gains and still keep your engine pretty reliable. Talk with the guys APE and they'll help you take the best route for more hp. Little advice for ya, from personnel experience anytime you start doing major mods be prepaired for delays in getting parts and not always getting exactly what you want. Doing a project like this takes time and major patience. Just my .02.

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Btw, here's a better pic of my 89 ZX-10
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Your ZX-10 looks fantastic! I want that same exhaust! The only exhaust I have seen for my bike is a cheap $375 Vance Hines 4-1 exhaust.

Anyway, my zx1000a2 is in terrible shape, i paid $1550 for it. It runs out pretty good.. but looks terrible. Im going to invest a lot of time and money into it this winter.

I dont think im going to get to wild.

Stage 3 jet kit $100
Full exhaust $375
11:1 pistons with slight bore $400
MIKUNI FLATSLIDE SMOOTHBORES carbs $600

Man,I need a second job!! Plus the bike needs a lot of TLC to begin with. Zip ties are holding it together. I just got it Friday, the only thing ive done so far is remove the VELVET from the seat and totally clean the carbs (losing my jets in the process) Stage 3 is going to come sooner then i thought.

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1000R

First of all, let me say that you are getting some EXCELLENT information/advice from "ZXBURNER", as his information is 100% accurate.

Regarding transplantation of a ZX-10 or ZX-11 engine into your Ninja 1000R, I really don't see how that could possibly work. (I'm fairly certain it won't, or at the very least, would be cost-prohibitive). The ZX-10 and ZX-11 have downdraft carbs wheras your 1000R has sidedraft carbs. The ports won't match up and you'd have to relocate the airbox and gas tank somehow. By the time you figured all of this out and spent the money needed on such a big project, you could literally have purchased a nice used ZX-11 by then.

My advice would be to take the 1000R for what it is. It's still a very powerful, comfortable, fast, and good looking bike.
If wanting to modify, just stay with the basics- pipe, air filters, etc.- basic bolt-on stuff.
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ZXRider,
Thanks for the props, have been a huge Zed Head for a while now, pretty much from the time I started riding. Am the original owner of my 89 so have a little knowledge of the big Zeds.

Nothern,
My exhaust was one off and waited months to get it, don't know if BlueFlame can do one for your bike. Look at K-Factory some very nice Ti systems but pricey.

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thanks!

Thanks everyone for your input. With zx10's help i have found plenty of parts to make all the HP goals I wanted anyway. I was originally thinking that if a zx11 motor/tranny would drop right in it would be a cost effective upgrade incase if one of mine pukes.

Right now im just going to replace the rear tire, get stage one jet kit, and a corbin seat.

This winter im going to tear her down, and get the carbs, pistons, maybe cams, valve train, etc. Depends how much money I have to burn. I think i should seriously take the tranny apart and have a look at the gears. Sometimes when i shift into 2nd when the rpms are above 7k it makes a clank noise. My vfr use to do this, and when i was racing sometimes it would goto neutral instead of 2nd. The kawasaki has not done this, but i dont beat on like i did my VFR.

PS. Zx10, couldnt I use like a vance hines header and then a blue flame slip on? I love the blueing and the dual tip exhaust.
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Old Thread but posting a new pic

I realize that this is an old thread but I thought you might enjoy a new pic. I have been working on this bike for quite sometime. Anyone know of any fairings (aftermarket) that will bolt on? Would like to change the tail section out for a newer model.
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