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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-27-2005, 02:06 PM Thread Starter
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Yo, RoadStain.

You sound like your a pretty capable stunter. Could you clutch up a stock 05 636 to bp in second at like 5000 rpm?

I'm ripping that front wheel up higher and higher every new day(feels high anyways). Just can't ride em out to far. I'll keep working on it.
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-28-2005, 10:35 AM
 
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Re: Yo, RoadStain.

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You sound like your a pretty capable stunter. Could you clutch up a stock 05 636 to bp in second at like 5000 rpm?

I'm ripping that front wheel up higher and higher every new day(feels high anyways). Just can't ride em out to far. I'll keep working on it.

Its very doable. Same technique as soing it in 1st, just add a few more RPM. Clutch it up, catch it with the rear brake. and ride it for days. It takes some time to get used to it. But you'll get it. Keep workin at it. Gear up and be safe. Most of all, have fun! Let me know if you need any specific help.
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roadstain, can you give me any tips of catching the bike with the rear brake. I allways either slam the front end down or end up almost looping it. I think I just need to practice more. I used to only use the rear brake in emergency situations, but I think I want to get into the slower stuff. Most of my wheelies are near balance point at the top of second gear. I am a fan of standing on the front pegs. I am thinking of going +2 on the rear sprocket. I am allready -1 on the front, but I do alot of long trips so I think +2 on the rear would be a little much. Any help would be appreciated. thanks.
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post #4 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-29-2005, 08:28 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks RoadStain. I just try to bring up the front up sometimes in second. It's not even close and I'm revving the piss out of it and grabbing a whole lot of throttle.
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post #5 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-29-2005, 10:14 AM
 
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roadstain, can you give me any tips of catching the bike with the rear brake. I allways either slam the front end down or end up almost looping it. I think I just need to practice more. I used to only use the rear brake in emergency situations, but I think I want to get into the slower stuff. Most of my wheelies are near balance point at the top of second gear. I am a fan of standing on the front pegs. I am thinking of going +2 on the rear sprocket. I am allready -1 on the front, but I do alot of long trips so I think +2 on the rear would be a little much. Any help would be appreciated. thanks.
Balance point is described as a weightless feeling for a number of reasons. The bike is actually weightless (so to speak) when its at blance point. I found the easiest way to get used to brake control (minus a 50) is to clutch it up from a dead stop instead of trying to use the brake in a higher speed wheelie. Its all the same mechanics. So why not lose it at 7 mph instead of 70? You already have wheelies down, so this shouldn't be much trouble for you. What I've found that works best for me (and its different for some people but the same basic mechnics) is to ride the brake while standing up, get the bike as close to a dead stop as possible. ride the brake a bit (not full pressure but on it) and clutch it up. The bike does kind of lurch up but you get used to it. Once you hit balance point it's just a "tap----tap tap--tap ---- tap) on the brake. Keeping it in that "floating" area. I have an old video on here that I can post up for you if ya like. Just need someone to host it. Its the notorious gixxer. Or I'll email it to you. I might be able to borrow a 636 and I'll go out and just do slow standups and get them on film for you to watch and kind of look at for a reference.

As far as the gearing goes, +2 won't be bad. Even for long trips. My buddy had -1 +5 on his F4i and it was perfect. Cruised at about 4k rpm higher than normal. But worth it if you like stunting. I'll see what I can do about those clips for ya. Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions.
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post #6 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-29-2005, 10:16 AM
 
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Thanks RoadStain. I just try to bring up the front up sometimes in second. It's not even close and I'm revving the piss out of it and grabbing a whole lot of throttle.
Most likely your clutch work is off a little. Try using two fingers and "slipping" the clutch. If it lurches forward, give it more rpm's and let the clutch out faster. Be sure to cover that brake and use it when you need it! I learned 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear clutch ups in a day. But none were at balance point. So it's all possible. Just takes practice (and a little balls) Good luck and be safe!

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post #7 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-30-2005, 08:24 PM
 
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I can very easily hit the balancing point just by using the clutch to bring the front up and then using trottle control. I know I am at at the balancing point because just like you said the bike feels weightless, and I am staying at a steady speed for an extended time. E-mail me those clips if you can. It's different getting advice from people who know what their talking about. Thats why I figured I would ask you to give me some tips. I have seen some people on the road give horrible advice about stunting. Like I said, I really only use the rear brake for emergencies. Hopefully I can change this. I am now also considering +1 or +2 on the rear sprocket along with my -1 on the front just to make the slow stuff a little easier. Thanks for all the help.
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Sounds good. Hit me up with your email addy in a pm or post it and I'll get those to you. I didn't get a whole lot of close ups but enough so that you can see whats goin on. Basically, the trick to brake control, is replacing throttle control with it. Instead of modulating your throttle to get the bike to go up and down, you tap the brake. Not hard enough to get it to come back down, just enough to keep you in that sweet spot. Its a constant "tap-- tap tap-- tap" motion. Your throttle hand stays pretty much the same. The problem with using the throttle to raise and lower the front wheel is that you often get "throttle junkie" syndrome and your wheelies tend to be "bouncy". If I wasn't sick as hell right now (and if it wasn't raining) I would see if I could borrow his bike again and give it a try. I just went back and forth doin slow wheelies. Clutchin them up and ridin them smooth. nothin amazing, just slow and easy. You sound like you're more than capable and pretty much its just seat time thats required. Keep practicing. Try to rely more on the brake to keep yu steady than lettin off the throttle. Once yu master brake control, nothing is impossible!Good luck!

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post #9 of 24 (permalink) Old 08-31-2005, 05:42 PM
 
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Roadstain, You can e-mail me those clips at the e-mail address [email protected] Thanks again.
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Re: Yo, RoadStain.

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You sound like your a pretty capable stunter. Could you clutch up a stock 05 636 to bp in second at like 5000 rpm?

I'm ripping that front wheel up higher and higher every new day(feels high anyways). Just can't ride em out to far. I'll keep working on it.

I know I know... I am late.

As the proud owner of a 636... here is my .02:


Why would you need the clutch to bring a 636 up in 2nd gear?

The nose of my bike gets very light even through 3rd gear and sometimes in 4th under sheer acceleration alone.

The addition of using the clutch, IMO, is just plain overkill.
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