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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-05-2006, 08:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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hey yall, ive got a gsx-r600 and i had a q about shifting without the clutch. Is is bad or damaging at all? It seems to be alot smoother when i shift without the clutch. ANy opinions? Also when shifting from 1st to second i sumtimes end up in neutral and its really annoying. I seem to have to shift very hard to get into second. Is this normal for bikes? thankx guys
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-05-2006, 08:38 AM
 
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it doesnt hurt a thing, if you do it right. If you fuck up, you can bend the shift forks. Judging by your second gear problems, it sounds like you already have.



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post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-05-2006, 08:45 AM Thread Starter
 
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yea well ive had the bike for like 2 weeks now cause i bought it off of sum 1 . IS it expensive to have it checked/ repaired?
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post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-05-2006, 09:16 AM
 
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Hi calistyle-

The clutch lever was put there for a reason. If you're just riding around on the street save your transmission internals and shift forks some stress and take the extra half-second to pull-in your clutch lever unless you're really good at matching engine speed and road speed.

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Re: Shifting without the clutch..

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Also when shifting from 1st to second i sumtimes end up in neutral and its really annoying. I seem to have to shift very hard to get into second. Is this normal for bikes? thankx guys
Might just be a matter of getting used to the bike. My F4 was the first bike I ever rode that I had that problem on. I actually forgot all about that until I read your post. I can't tell you how many times I bumped the chip missing 2nd. That's almost as embarrassing as stalling it when the light turns green. I thought about turning the shift lever down a tooth or two but I eventually got used to making a firmer shift. Good luck.
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I agree with Blue, the lever is there for a reason. It may not hurt anything when you do it right like Vash said, but whats an extra half second for peace of mind?

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post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old 06-05-2006, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
 
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thankx for the reply guys. I found it MUCH easier to shift pulling the clutch in a lil bit. shifting, and easing out with a bit of throttle rather than pulling the clutch all the way in. MUCH smother and i never shift into neutral anymore. ALso no more loud clanky sounds when shifting.
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ALso no more loud clanky sounds when shifting.
Loud clanky sounds should be avoided, especially when shifting Glad to see its working out now.

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I agree with Blue Jays & others that one can shift up without the clutch, but the clutches these days are so easy to operate that it is just a light flick on the lever & you are into the next gear.

You will hear about how you can shift down as well, but that is a different story & a LOT of people trying it really screw up the poor old cog box.

Obviously if those racing be it dirt form or road racing have a clutch lever on the bike there MUST be a reason for they are using them continually.

True I can take you back in history of where we had to stiffen up the clutch levers of any bikes being raced & after a few laps the strain on the hand besides handing onto the bucking machine was simply to much & we simply "crashed the box" meaning up & down shifting without use of the clutch. One of the reason why I was continually rebuilding my cog box & those of fellow competitors in our m/c shop.

Some yrs back I had this lovely little Yamaha TZR-250 with far more TZ parts with it then normal. My left wrist was broken again while practicing Observed Trials up in the dirt. Rod the TZR-250 down to local hospital (when we had a hospital) for X-rays then rode the TZR-250 in Penticton Hospital with X-rays in my jacket chest area. Specialist is putting on cast & then in a sort of asking question he said "Did you ride your m/c with the X-rays?" The answer was YES so asked how I was going to ride back, so said something like "just leave me a thumb & one finger or possible a sort of hook for the lights & stop signs. Made it home to S'land with fore-finger & a thumb, but only used at stopping & take offs for shifting up & down was done without the clutch------still one has to know how that is done otherwise all hell can break out.
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Re: Shifting without the clutch..

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...when shifting from 1st to second i sumtimes end up in neutral and its really annoying...
I use the clutch to shift from first to second (avoids the problem you mentioned), then don't worry about it, unless I'm shifting down again.

Getting the timing right, with the correct amount of throttle "release", will come to you.




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