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post #11 of 32 (permalink) Old 12-02-2005, 11:27 AM
 
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You think cherries (newbie) are stupid? My friend went home on leave and had a good bit of money saved up from this deployment. Well he sees a 03 busa for sale with low miles like for 6 G's. He bought it like a dumb ass and had to push it home cause he doesn't know the first thing about a bike. I'v only ridden 600cc so I can't really comment on 1300cc, but I'm pretty sure its a death wish. I'm tryin to talk him out of keeping it and just to get a 600cc. We'll see.
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post #12 of 32 (permalink) Old 12-02-2005, 12:21 PM
 
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ok last two post are both good points. But the one about the looks of the bikes is the biggest factor in bike selection. I think a ton of guys get into the sport because of the looks of the bikes. Not the idea of flying arond at 180mph. (Of course, with the ability comes the urge) Having girls sitting on the back, riding with the crew, etc. is what the intial urge is about not a track. And we are guys after all (most at least) and to have a 250 or a 500, the mockery would be too much to bear. I know you guys will say no its cool they are learning but not everyone is so enlightened, not in the areas I lived (Louiville, KY - Dallas, TX - Sarasota, FL) Its like wanting a RX-8 and getting a Chevy Aveo. The RX-8 could kill you but i wouldnt want to be caught in an Aveo. I know we shouldnt be so shallow but in a way we all are.

The other thing about the ninja 500 I rode is it scared the poop out of me on the high way. Cars would go buy and the turbulance would seem to want to throw the bike off the rode. I cant imagine a 250.

In the end I am not saying a FNG should go by a liter bike but give the guys a break who buy or are looking for 600's as their first bike. Tis all
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ok last two post are both good points. But the one about the looks of the bikes is the biggest factor in bike selection. I think a ton of guys get into the sport because of the looks of the bikes. Not the idea of flying arond at 180mph. (Of course, with the ability comes the urge) Having girls sitting on the back, riding with the crew, etc. is what the intial urge is about not a track. And we are guys after all (most at least) and to have a 250 or a 500, the mockery would be too much to bear. I know you guys will say no its cool they are learning but not everyone is so enlightened, not in the areas I lived (Louiville, KY - Dallas, TX - Sarasota, FL) Its like wanting a RX-8 and getting a Chevy Aveo. The RX-8 could kill you but i wouldnt want to be caught in an Aveo. I know we shouldnt be so shallow but in a way we all are.

The other thing about the ninja 500 I rode is it scared the poop out of me on the high way. Cars would go buy and the turbulance would seem to want to throw the bike off the rode. I cant imagine a 250.

In the end I am not saying a FNG should go by a liter bike but give the guys a break who buy or are looking for 600's as their first bike. Tis all
Dont know about all that. I ride a liter. Not once have I made fun of someone for having a 600 (unless it was a joke between friends) or heard any other liter rider do that. In fact if I ever do I'm going to think "SQUID" (like the guy on zx-11 wondering how come an r6 can keep up with him in the corners, yes that actually happened) If they made 500/250 that looked modern, I dont think there would be any issues



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I was refering to getting a 250 or 500. Never seen anyone get made fun of for a 600, especailly since in the bends I have seen the 600's smoke liters all the time

And I agree if the smaller bikes looked more like the rest there probably wouldnt be an issue
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So if a 600 could smoke a liter, why couldnt a 500?
Think about it if you had a YZFGSXRZX8000RR tubro and the other guy had a ninja 250 but his last named happened to be mladin, who would win the race?



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post #16 of 32 (permalink) Old 12-02-2005, 12:50 PM
 
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I ride an '97 Yamaha YZF600r which lacks power & good suspension to the modern 600s, but does have a comfortable riding position, more fairing coverage for the rider, better mid-range power & is quite a forgiving bike compared to modern 600s AND I ride '00 Honda 929 & '03 Honda 954.

Each bike is take out for a good tough 5 to 7 hr run in the mtn roads. I know the pros & cons of the 600r but then like the others as well. At 75 yrs of age I am not a poser on a bike nor am I carrying some young chick on the bikes.LOL
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Beyond just bike choice, i think "newbies can be so dumb" in their choice of gear...as in the lack of it. Here at FSU, i see tons of kids...tons...without any gear at all. I saw a guy on a new gsxr1000 wearing shorts, a t-shirt, and basketball shoes. No helmet of course. To me that screams newbie because look at the liter riders on here...most of them wear full gear. I saw another guy wearing FLIP-FLOPS on a new 600 also wearing t-shirt, basketball shorts, and a baseball hat. i dont get it....and it kind of bugs me more than just newbies on a hot trotting 750...

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I like the advice someone else here gave a while back: It's better for a new rider to ride a smaller bike at its limits than trying to manage a bike that they can't go full throttle on.

Slaps --> And a lot of people think 600's are great starter bikes. Hell, I've seen 750s advertised as starter bikes and a SV 650s advertised as a "great starter or woman's bike." These guys must have balls bigger than Schwarzenegger's.
I was more refering to this post then anything else, Vash. My orginal post was under it. No knock to you Desert-lad, again to each his own. And I am not talking about track racing I thought we were talking about Newbies

What I was getting at was that I know of several threads on this site that step on newbies because they want a 600 and "its too much for them" I was stating that for the reason alot of guys get into bikes a 250/500 wont fulfill, and to give cut those guys some slack.

As for a 500 beating a 600 or a liter through some twisties, I'd like to see that bike (race bikes excluded) The only one I have ridden couldnt drive off the corners hard enough to keep up. I thought that was the whole point of starting off a guy with something small was so he couldnt get a drive off the corner hard enough to spin his tires or lift the front tire or otherwise get him in trouble.

Perhaps I am uneducated about the small bikes. Which one did you say beat you through some twisties.

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There is a guy on a 600RR that I will most likely never catch. He pulls away from me like I was riding a bicycle. I'm convinced that he would still beat me on a 500. Its 90% rider 10% bike.



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At 75 yrs of age I am not a poser on a bike nor am I carrying some young chick on the bikes.LOL

What's going on here Smitty?? I thought retirement funds where saved so you can get the young ones when your looks fade? Really just seeing a 75 year old on a sportbike and not a goldwing would make my day, but seeing a 75 year old on a sportbike with a 20 year old on the back, well that's a kodak moment.

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