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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 10-05-2005, 08:42 AM Thread Starter
 
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telling a friend to not buy a very powerful bike for his 1st one

What's the best way to talk to a friend about buying a less powerful bike than the one he wants for his very first street bike?

I feel buying any 600cc (other than an sv650/s) is suicide, and a friend is talking about a 600gixxer or even a 750 bike. The usual 'I'm a safe driver in my car, I'm not stupid' comes up. Hell, I know I'm even a very safe driver in my car, but when it comes to a bike? shit, too much power between my legs and I could very easily end myself one day.

So what's teh best way to talk to friends about not buying a bike that's too powerful?
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If his mind is made up then thatís it you can't do much. How old is your friend. Maybe he should check in to insurance rates before deciding.

I have been riding dirt for years. I started on a used r6. You can do it. But you have to be level headed and realize how fast you can hurt your self.

I wrecked at the track after one year of having the bike. If I had had a 250 it may have been different because I wouldnít have been doing 70MPH coming out of turn 1 at
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I have had my close calls on the street. But I have never had any problems on the street.
Before I took the bike out for a real ride I learned the bike capabilities, at slower speed and then gradually increased them. Iím so good now that I probably use about 25 to 30 percent of my bikes capabilities.
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Show him some links of some good squid crashes
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600 isn't a death wish....

if a 600 = instant death to him he should not be on a bike at all... look into a suzuki FA50 lol
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A 600 is suicide eh?
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...i dont really think a 600 is a death wish. i think if you buy a brand new 600, thats pretty risky, because a)-they're lighter, more powerful, and very twitchy b) they're expensive and you'll most likely drop it. but, ive never thought it was a death wish. i know a guy that started on a 600RR and has 10,000 miles under his belt. he learned how to ride, and rode within his limits.

an older 600 isnt a death wish either. i think a lot of people are really TOO scared about the supersports. i mean, if you start on a 250, and jump on a 600 i think the rider will be in a lot of trouble just like a newbie would. if you are used to having to twist the wrist to go anywhere on a 250, when you jump on the 600 hundred and do that...the rider is going to get messed up.

i would try to talk him out of the 750. that bike probably is WAY too much for him or anyone to start out on. i havent met anyone that's started on a 750, so i wouldnt truly know, but...doesnt sound like a good idea

my point is, a motorcycle is a motorcycle. there's always going to be that risk of getting killed. yes, a sv650 or 500r is probably a much better choice for a newbie, but i think if he bought an older 600, he'd probably be fine. and if he bout a really old 750 (maybe a 90-92 zx7-R (i think)), then maybe thats a better choice for him. i think you can get into trouble on any bike and it takes a lot on the rider's part to keep the rubber side down, newbie or not, regardless of bike
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I agree a 600 is to big for a first bike. I acually experienced this exact situation. My friend wanted to buy a bike, bought an 89 FZR 600, and crashed it 3 days later. Luckly he only broke his thumb and dislocated his shoulder. I saw him go down and it was quite the spectical. We harass him about his stupidity constantly, and all have a good laugh at his expense. Do whatever you can to stop him, tell him he'll kill himself on it...but thats about all you can do.

Here is what the retard did to his 3 day old bike
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...i dont really think a 600 is a death wish. i think if you buy a brand new 600, thats pretty risky, because a)-they're lighter, more powerful, and very twitchy b) they're expensive and you'll most likely drop it. but, ive never thought it was a death wish. i know a guy that started on a 600RR and has 10,000 miles under his belt. he learned how to ride, and rode within his limits.

an older 600 isnt a death wish either. i think a lot of people are really TOO scared about the supersports. i mean, if you start on a 250, and jump on a 600 i think the rider will be in a lot of trouble just like a newbie would. if you are used to having to twist the wrist to go anywhere on a 250, when you jump on the 600 hundred and do that...the rider is going to get messed up.

i would try to talk him out of the 750. that bike probably is WAY too much for him or anyone to start out on. i havent met anyone that's started on a 750, so i wouldnt truly know, but...doesnt sound like a good idea

my point is, a motorcycle is a motorcycle. there's always going to be that risk of getting killed. yes, a sv650 or 500r is probably a much better choice for a newbie, but i think if he bought an older 600, he'd probably be fine. and if he bout a really old 750 (maybe a 90-92 zx7-R (i think)), then maybe thats a better choice for him. i think you can get into trouble on any bike and it takes a lot on the rider's part to keep the rubber side down, newbie or not, regardless of bike

And here's the part that could be damaging...I think if he bought a older 600, he'd prolly be fine.....welp...that's a big maybe, you willing to bet that he'd prolly be o.k.?

Look, this topic has been, and prolly will be..beaten to death over the last 4 or 5 years...Amoung all the experts, i.e. those hat teach racing, past racers, ect...all recomend starting on a less powerful bike. Why, because a bike that's underpowered, like a 250 ninja for example, teaches you how maintain corner speed, cuzz ya can't use the motor to keep up with others, i.e. watch a 125 gp rider a a track day...that 125 usually is passing 600's, 750's and even 1k's in the turns..

Not that you'll be doing this on your 250 ninja, bu it's the same princible...and a smaller bike is far easier to toss around han a 400lb 600...it's also much more user friendly, may not be he cooles lookin bike, but if you stick with a 250, and really learn how to ride it, you'll be way ahead of the game...but your ridng buddies on their 600's might not like it...

You can disagree about the small bike thing, but untill you've done it...you have no idea..

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I had simillar mind set when I decided to buy my first bike few monthes ago, because I didn't know better. The best way to convince your friend to get a smaller bike and wear gears is to show him pictures and video clips of motorcycle accidents. It worked for me. After I saw some picture and accidents, I decided to buy less powerfull bike, used katana 600, and I never ride without all my gears on.
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