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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-25-2000, 10:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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Okay, here's the deal. I got popped for doing 125+ in a 65 in California last summer. Under the law, I was up against a $500 fine, 90-day suspension and possible jail time. When the CHP pulled me over (I was originally clocked by a plane), I was doing 70 and I was very, very polite after I stopped, so they didn't arrest me or take my bike. Needless to say, I didn't really feel like riding anymore, despite the fact that I had an 80-mile ride home.

This was a mandatory appearance violation, so I had some time to strategize. This is what I came up with, and it might work for you. I decided to go with the "My speedometer is inaccurate" defense, so I needed paperwork to verify this. I changed both front and rear sprockets, the largest I could find for the front and the smallest for the rear. I then had the bike dyno'd and it showed a minimum 10% discrepancy on the speedo! Now I know what you're saying, "That's still 112.5 MPH", and you're right. But, under the California vehicular codes, they cite you for "speed in excess of 100 MPH" which can also carry a reckless driving with it. This violation is what the judge sees. When I presented my case in traffic court, I showed the judge my paperwork from the dyno. I did not mention the gearing change as I was not asked. I was then convicted of simple speeding with no reckless or license suspension attached to it. I walked with a $150 fine, a bargain in comparison!

Yes, this is not the most ethical approach, but they play their games, so I play mine. I hope I've helped in my little way. Fly low!

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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-25-2000, 03:37 PM
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That gear change and dyno test was very innovative. As for being unethical, it is, but I think on the scale of unethicallity that wouldn't rate as high as say short changing a blind person or eating those by donation chocolate mints without donating. A guy once told me ethics are rules that only apply when no one is watching you, heh.

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post #3 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-26-2000, 11:59 AM
 
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Ahh, the ever present struggle between appreciating the cleverness or skill of somebody, and abhorring their actions.

Very clever, very skillful. Very wrong. "There is no controlling legal authority."
"I don't recall."
"I never had sex with that woman...."
"If it don't fit, you must acquit."

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What you do when no one is watching is the measure of your character.

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post #4 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-26-2000, 12:42 PM
 
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(The following said whilst on knees, forehead pressed flat to floor) I am not worthy! Please, touch me as you go by so that by osmosois, I may inherit a small part of your intelligence! My friend, this has got to be, by far, the most underhanded, illegal, legally and morally wrong example of how to beat the system that I've ever seen. Can I wash and wax your bike for you? Do you need any laundry done? Errands? Carpet vaccuumed? Buddy, you rock. I would've never thought about doing anything like this at all. Seriously, I don't know how you thought of this, but pat yourself on the back because it's the first time in speeding history (that I can recall, and I've been happily breaking these useless speeding laws for almost 16 years) that someone has actually come up with an innovative way to cop out (pun intended!!) from yet another "county coffer liner" speeding ticket. You did get lucky though, because as you said, anything over 100mph is the really bad offense. 112 does sound slighty better than 125. The judge was obviously in a benevolent mood. More power to 'ya! My idol! After I get my next speeding tickey, I'm gonna get a steel garbage can lid, take a pair of tin snips, and cut gears into it. Strap it onto my rear wheel, and get dynoed. This should effectively reduce the gearing to like, 10 to 1 or something. Think of the possibilities..............

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post #5 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-26-2000, 01:47 PM Thread Starter
 
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I guess I need to explain a little more about my strategy. Because the vehicle code I was cited under was "speed in excess of 100 MPH" rather than an actual speed, the judge could only assume that I was doing 101. This was an arraignment, so the cop was not present to give the actual speed. Therefore, with a 10% discrepancy, the judge could only get me for 90.9 MPH, simple speeding!

I felt guilty about my dishonesty for about 5 seconds after the sentencing...then I got over it. If you ride a sportbike and aren't something of a scofflaw, you may need to rethink your place in life. I liken it to dating a supermodel, but never wanting to see her naked.

Now, I'm not advocating anarchy, just reality. Vehicular crimes are nothing more than a way to boost municipal revenues and are ludicrous unless they bring harm to others. I was speeding on a 4-lane divided highway at 11:00 a.m. on a clear, summer Tuesday. No traffic, new pavement, new bike, 20-years' experience. Just remember, two wrongs may not make a right, but three rights make a left...

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post #6 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-26-2000, 02:45 PM
 
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I got a speeding ticket in Kentucky on my trip to Deals Gap. I have come up with a perfect plan to avoid it... I went back home to Canada.

Moral of the story: Speed in a different country.


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post #7 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-26-2000, 08:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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Pete,

The dyno certification was dated AFTER the ticket, so I was blissfully ignorant of my "errant speedometer" at the time of the violation. Bummer, huh? Hehehehe....


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post #8 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-27-2000, 04:38 AM
 
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i may actually try that.. i got an 88 in a 55 a few weeks ago. the cop was pacing me.. i dont really see how cause at the time i was being squid vicious weaving in & out of traffic so how could he get an accurate pace? he said it took him 2 miles to catch up to me.. if i would have seen him before he was an inch off my rear tire i would have took off.




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post #9 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-27-2000, 06:17 AM
 
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VTR, man you are one crafty SOB.

I do feel this deserves praise, as the Traffic Cops in this country are for the most part merely revenue solicitors. Yes, the DUI task forces and TRUE criminal pursuing cops are doing a very respectable job. But lets face it, we have all got (or will be getting) a speeding ticket on our bikes at one time or another.

Are we unfairly discriminated against? I would say yes is the larger percentage than no.

VTR i will say again, you deserve the brass brain award for undermined excellence in traffic court (BBAUETC) for 2000.

I got f*&^d in 1994 for a wreckless driving ticket that i was not guilty of and the jurisdickedshun i was in had a no pleabargain policy. after the full trial, with my lawyer and all, the judges words: "...what you did wasnt wreckless driving, but it was inexcusable...verdict is wreckless driving <gavel>..."

Needless to say i was pissed and my butt still hurts from that one.


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post #10 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-27-2000, 07:37 AM
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VTRPilot, did you explain to the judge that you were not aware of the speedo inaccuracy BEFORE you got stopped? With my luck, the judge would have thrown the book at me saying that if I knew so much about the inaccuracy, then I knew how fast I was going.

Congrats on beating it!

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