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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-19-2000, 09:27 AM Thread Starter
 
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Allright, after reading the post below about the poor fellow w/the oil-munching R1 I felt obligated to begin what will most assuredly be a looooong thread.
Lezeehere...$11k on a new bike, and it's sucking half a quart a week. There are two possible culprits in my mind:
1. No offense, but the dude didn't break in the bike right. Babied it for 75 miles, than ran it up to redline in all six gears for 34 days in a row. This is the MOST probable culprit.
2. But then again, I've been reading an awful lot lately about Yams w/bad rear wheels/cush drives, steering head bearings (although all those wheelies don't help D) )

So, it brings the question to mind; is all of this just pure coincidence, or is Yamaha starting to get sloppy? Don't get me wrong, for my next bike (prolly around the end of this year) an R1 was in the running. It's gotta be an open-classer. I'm a tad over 200lbs and I like mean, rip your face off acceleration. A 750 ain't quite cuttin' it no more. But w/all the probs that Yams are having lately, I'm starting to get a little wary about buying a Yam. Reminder...this is not a Yam-slam thread. I'm not biased against any real bike. (Harleys Suck) I'd ride a Yam, or a Honda, or a Kaw as well as my Suzook any old day. It's just that w/all the different brands represented on this forum, how come we don't hear about Honda probs, or Kaw probs as much as Yam probs? Just a question.....QUESTION OF THE MONTH MATERIAL? Cheers.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Aril, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cosmo:
It's just that w/all the different brands represented on this forum, how come we don't hear about Honda probs, or Kaw probs as much as Yam probs? Just a question.....QUESTION OF THE MONTH MATERIAL? Cheers.

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I will answer this question very seriously
because I think it is a good and valid
question. First of all lets get this out of
the way...

If your PRIMARY concern is overall QUALITY
by a *&**ing Honda. Period. I love Honda
quality... No manufacturer in the world can
touch Honda quality. I'm not fond of the
Honda looks or the riding position right
now but they ARE great bikes.

The wheel thing is an isolated incodent. This
could have happened to any manufacturer
because nobody makes there own wheels but it
happened to Yamaha. Now the way they are
dealing with it is a G*D D**N joke. It's
wrong. But I think there is MORE FOCUS on
Yamaha right now becuase of the popularity
of the R1 and R6 and EVERYONE who doesn't
own one is tired of hearing about it. Frankly
I'm tired of defending Yamaha and I'm tired
that they make themselves hard to defend.

- BUT -

truth is, if you don't like something and
it's in your face everyday (R1,R6) if you get
a chance to through dirt back you are going
to. That's why you hear more mud flung at
Yamaha than any other brand right now.I don't
think that Yamaha has any bit worse quality
than Suzuki or Kawi.. (Honda above em all).
Actually I had worse expiriences with my
Kawi's than any other bikes.

I ****ing love my R1... Most incredible
machine to reside between my legs ever. It
makes me feel like I can be Gary Rothwell
if I persue it (and if I had a $10,000 year
budget for tires) The R6 was the same way.
Before I got the R6 which was last year, my
9th year of riding... I could do crappy
wheelies and baby endos... When I got the
R6 I could launch bomb wheelies and do 40ft+
rolling endos. I won't even mention what I
was doing to my friends last year when we hit
the twisties... (CBR600F4 excluded here)
The BIKE brought the rider out of ME. It all
depends on what you want from a motorcycle. I
will compromize a little quality (Honda) for
asthetics and raw performace edge feeling,
but I can rebuild stuff when it breaks too.
To each his own.

My view bro...

Take it easy Cosmo.


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My R6 is starting to give me some sh**. I have the mystery leak with the oil, and recently have discovered that the radiator hoses are CRAP!!! My steering head bearings come loose all the time as well (a day after haing them tightened too)(no I don't do wheelies all over the place either). Don't get me wrong, I am in love with this machine. i just wish it would stay together.
Now that I think about it, I guess that is the price to pay for pushing the hell out of it!

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Well said, Chris. Very well said. That's what I like about this forum vs. others that I've seen: the maturity. There's no reason why reasonable adults can have a logical discussion about things. Thanks for not taking any of it personally 'cause none it of was meant to be. Feel 'da luvvvvvvv!!!! BTW, I agree about the wheel thing; could've happened to any of the Big 4 since they all use the same mfg. company for their wheels!

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VYPIR - You bastard, shut the hell up man...
I had it covered bro! (Joking man...)

Yeah my R6 head stem went loose after 5000
miles and I tightended it up and never
bothered me again until it was gone.

As far as radiator hoses.. Dude Paaaleeeze,
are you trying to find problems here man???

Cosmo, if you really want to know what people
think of their machines and the problems that
they have had, start a thread and ask
everyone to post what they've got and the
problems if any that they've had. You'll
get your answer there.

(VYPIR - Spare me the ribbing OK??)

Later,
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I know that many will probably think that I beat the [email protected]#$ out of my R1 and did not follow proper break-in protocal.

But actually, I babied the bike like a delicate flower until 3,000 mi. Really. Now the bike sucks down 1/2 quart per 2,000 mi. I conclude that "break-in" is not critical.

Don't get me wrong - the bike still has increadible performance and makes me smile every time I twist my wrist.

I have found out that most R1 owners have claimed significant oil consumption - and no loss in performance. I guess that all R1's just plain burn oil.
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Well, anyway, we now know the R6 is a rugged little bike (Said the R6, "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can..."):
http://www.cyberphilly.com/r6/bbs/messages/170.html

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Wow...My '99 R1 has had NO problems. I haven't had to tighten anything. It doesn't burn oil. The bearings, cush drive and wheels are all fine. She's dynoed at 132 RWHP. Everything works great and I couldn't be happier.

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I did mention that I still love my bike. I will not let a few little things like that bother me too much. All I have to do is go to the garage and look at her -- all is forgotten. "Sigh"

Anyway I wouldn't settle for any other bike. Not even an R1.



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Kyle,

Good point on there being so many bikes and being treated differently.

The modern sportbikes(even Ducatis ) are quite reliable considering what "we" put them through.

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