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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 04-08-2004, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
 
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New Battery, Initial Charging....

Well my good old Ever Start Battery finally kicked the bucket after 2 seasons without a charging session.

I picked up my new, HIGHLY RECCOMENDED Yuasa battery today only to find out that it needs to be charged before its first use. Funny, through all the reccomendations people have given me no one ever seemed to mention that nor did any of the websites / catalogs I browsed through. I don't have a battery tender or charger for that matter so it looks like im stuck without the bike for a few more days.

3 Questions:
1) Are all batteries like this?
2) What type of charger do I need?
3) Have any of you known shops that charge a battery for you?

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I've never heard of a new battery that needed to be charged. Thought they were all plug-n-play......

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Boost-start your bike, maybe it'll bump start with the new battery, and go for a REALLY REALLY long ride
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I've never heard of new batteries that needed to be charged. Maybe you could swing by a local bike shop(or car shop) and see if they will jump you. Then just ride for a few hours and charge it up.

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You must charge it before use or it will never have a full charge. It should be done before you put it on the bike. It will have an initial charge of about 75 to 85% when activated by putting in the acid. This is enough to make the bike work but if you use it even once before charging it, it will never reach a full 100% charge. You also should have a battery tender to keep it working properly.

Also, bump starting a bikle with a bad battery can damage your electrical system.
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Also, Any shop will charge it for you. Probably at no cost. The shop that sold it to you should have done it. Make sure it is a motorcycle shop though, In an emergency I once bought a battery from Wal Mart and they nearly blew the battery up charging it. It was smoking after about 2 minutes. I kept telling them it says 5 amp max right there on the battery and they kept looking in some store manual for the proper setting which they said was 50 amps. Morons. Ended up walking to another shop with a different battery to have them charge it.

It should take about 5 hours to charge. Use a 1.5 amp max charger. Less amps is fine or better

Buy, The "Battery Tender Plus". Best Investement you can make. I Think Yuasa now makes it. You can hook up a pigtail(comes with it) to your battery that stays on the bike while you charge it. Also carefully read the directions with the battery. Some now have to keep the caps on instead of off while charging.

Also, after installing your FULLY CHARGED new battery take your bike to the shop to have them check your charging system or you may be buying a new battery again soon.
Something a simple as dirty connections could be all it takes to kill a battery. That or just too much sitting unused over the winter.
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Buy, The "Battery Tender Plus". Best Investement you can make. I Think Yuasa now makes it. You can hook up a pigtail(comes with it) to your battery that stays on the bike while you charge it. Also carefully read the directions with the battery. Some now have to keep the caps on instead of off while charging.
Ditto here... I bought one for my old CBR 600 that I could never keep a batter charged in if I didnt' ride it every week or so.. (no one could find a sort that was draining it ) so I put the battery tender plus on it and just plugged it in while in the garage being unused. The connections stayed on the batter all the time and was small enough that you never noticed them when riding and I never had another dead battery after that I included it with the 600 when I sold the bike and wish I had gotten me another one to have on hand in the event I needed another one.. even for just trickle charged during the winter months it has a smart charge system that checks the battery for it's level of charge and shuts off when it's not needed.. so no worries of every frying your battery...


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trickle charge is always better than speed chargin like mentioned above .... if using a normal charger choose the 12v 2 amp switch instead of the 12v 6 amp.

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Thanks for all the great replies... advice has been takin.
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You must charge it before use or it will never have a full charge. It should be done before you put it on the bike. It will have an initial charge of about 75 to 85% when activated by putting in the acid. This is enough to make the bike work but if you use it even once before charging it, it will never reach a full 100% charge.
You know, thats funny. Not only have I never heard that , but I used to work in a bike shop doing little gofer work. One of the things I did was fill batteries. And I NEVER once heard anyone tell a customer that they needed to charge the battery.

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They don't say it but make sure you wait about an hour after filling the cells before charging. Again, Read the instructions

I have researched this before and found several sources saying the same thing.
This is from From the Battery Tender Web site FAQ:

20. Can the Battery Tender Plus successfully perform the initial charge on a new, flooded, motorcycle battery?

Background: The motorcycle dealers receive batteries from the manufacturer in a dry state. The plates are dried out, and there is no acid in the cell compartments. (Do not confuse this with a dry-cell battery.) The dealer must fill the individual battery cells with acid and then put them on a shop charger to pre-charge prior to selling them to a customer. As the batteries arrive from the manufacturer, the plates are approximately 80% "formed". The initial pre-charge, post-formation charge, or more correctly, formation-finishing charge, must be conducted at a specific power level and for a specific time period. Each manufacturer has its own recommendations, for example one manufacturer recommends that the charger deliver a constant current equal to 10% to 15% of the battery amp-hour capacity and that the charge current be applied to the battery for a period of 5 to 10 hours.

Answer 1) Certainly if the dealer has properly pre-charged the battery after filling it with acid, then the answer is ABSOLUTELY YES.
Answer 2) If the dealer has not properly pre-charged th
e newly filled battery prior to the sale, then the answer is YES, WITH SOME QUALIFICATIONS:

Qualification A) The Battery Tender® Plus should be left on the new battery for a minimum of 24 hours on float, in addition to whatever amount of time it takes for the charger to get to the float stage. It is not clear how to correlate the 80% formed plates with a given state of charge once the cells are filled with acid. To be safe, assume that the batteries require a full 100% charge after the cells are filled.

For example, a 16 Ah battery will take about 13 hours to get to the absorption voltage (constant 14.4 Volts). It may take another 6 to 8 hours to reach the float voltage (constant 13.2 Volts). This may sound awkward; because what happens is that the battery charge current drops while the absorption voltage is held constant. When the battery current drops to 0.1 amp, or if 6 to hours have elapsed at the absorption voltage, the charger automatically switches its output from 14.4 V to 13.2 V. So it may take the better part of 20 hours to reach the float stage. Add another 24 hours to that and you are at 44 hours. Throw in another 4 hours for good measure and you get a nice round, even 48 hours, or 2 days.

Qualification B) Although there are probably several charging methods that will be equally effective, regardless of who manufactures the battery, in the interests of technical consistency, they will not officially sanction any initial charging method other than those published in their technical applications literature
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