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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-14-2002, 01:52 PM Thread Starter
 
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http://www.abd.org.uk/police_letter.htm

Take a look at this link it is a scary prospect for the british motorist 2 or 4 wheeled variety . Quite a long read but interesting all the same
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Ok i admit it, i only got about 1/4 of the way through. But that sounds terrible. All that just to make money.

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Thumbs down "Casualty Reduction"

What a depressing read, neafearjustbeer.

Good thing the U.S. is just too big for the cops / speed cameras to cover all the roads. Same thing for the Aussies and Canadians, I think. Not that I'd put such extreme measures past our own local or higher governments if they thought they could pull off.

What a shame that the government feels the need to dip into everyone's pockets in the name of "casualty reduction". I'm sure the dishonesty of that approach (instead of a straight up raise in taxes if that's what's needed) and the disruption to people's lives caused by this invasiveness is what rankles.

Well, what can you do ? Lobby your politicians, swamp the courts by everyone fighting it with "not guilty" pleas, citizen's revolt such as trashing the cameras Boston Tea Party style ? I think if your 27 million road users could band together somehow and let the authorities know you won't stand for it, they'd back off.
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post #4 of 19 (permalink) Old 06-15-2002, 03:21 PM Thread Starter
 
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The problem is when a new camera is installed somewhere and it is hidden from view.
A story reported in the paper a while back about this guy who got caught every day of the week on his way to work and recieved a ban, he was not driving particularily fast but still lost his license. The thing is it takes about 14 days for the ticket to get posted to you and by the time he got the first one it was too late.The rest were already on the way.
Over here we have points system on your licence, 12 points and you are banned. Each speeding ticket will give you a minimum of 3 points and these points stay on your licence for 4 years. Things like drink driving are an imediate minimum years ban and will stay on your licence for 10 years. Which you would deserve for drink driving .

But for driving 15mph over the limit on a motorway it is crazy, these cameras do not take into account weather and road conditions. So somebody driving at 70mph in the snow would not collect a ticket but someone driving at 85mph on an empty dry road would. Crazy if you ask me!
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naefear, A little birdie told me the actual value of the cameras in those is 5k, and they go for up to 1k to certain people


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We just got our first permanent speed camera in my general area. Its on a dead straight, wide road in the middle of an industrial area.
Now will that piece of shit camera stop the bitch in the van from trying to run me over again. Or the silly old crone who hit the rear of my bike when I was at stop lights.
I know it won't stop the local hoons because the camera sticks out like a turd in a punch bowl.
When did policing become mindless ticket vending instead of serious crime prevention..
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I read on here ,about a year ago, that they put up speed cameras somewere in Texas ,and within a week all the cameras were shot out.

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We just got our first permanent speed camera in my general area. Its on a dead straight, wide road in the middle of an industrial area.
Now will that piece of shit camera stop the bitch in the van from trying to run me over again. Or the silly old crone who hit the rear of my bike when I was at stop lights.
I know it won't stop the local hoons because the camera sticks out like a turd in a punch bowl.
When did policing become mindless ticket vending instead of serious crime prevention..
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The tried the cameras in BC, Canada, for a couple years, then pulled them last year (or the year before). The studies they did showed that they werent generating as much revenue as calculated so they ditched them.

A lot of people took the tickets to court if there was even the slightest hint or blur on them. In fact a years worth of all tickets taken at the start had something wrong with them, so if you disputed them they got thrown out. Of course you had to dispute them, and if you didnt you still had to pay. Made a lot of sense, how much did all the court time cost in disputing them compared to the ones that paid.

The time it takes to get a ticket is stupid as well. When a person gets a ticket, evn a warning, it puts them in a different mind set. They slow down, think over thier driving some more (usually), etc. But on a single trip with cameras, you could get caught 5 times and dinged for them all without learning anything but what its like to loose your license.

Personal law enforcement will always beat cameras. Even with a pig headed cop on a rampage you can still at least attempt to reason with him ;p
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We just got our first permanent speed camera in my general area. Its on a dead straight, wide road in the middle of an industrial area.
Now will that piece of shit camera stop the bitch in the van from trying to run me over again. Or the silly old crone who hit the rear of my bike when I was at stop lights.
I know it won't stop the local hoons because the camera sticks out like a turd in a punch bowl.
When did policing become mindless ticket vending instead of serious crime prevention..

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